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Posted: 22 - May - 2010 at 11:47 | IP Logged Quote tom

you might want to check to see if your system is bypassing and not dead headed. as bob said belts will keep you from tearing things up.
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Posted: 24 - May - 2010 at 05:38 | IP Logged Quote bobodu

Take off the spark plug wire and take off the out put line from the pump. Crank the engine and check the flow...something ain't right !!
Another possibility is that the pump is just too big for the engine. As mentioned...you can slow it down with a pulley swap.


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Posted: 25 - May - 2010 at 07:45 | IP Logged Quote johnp23

I'm starting to agree with bobodu, maybe the pump is too big for the engine or I am not able to maintain proper tension and once I get under load the pump starts slowly creeping inward until the belt slips.  The pump is rated for max 25 gpm and when i disconnect the return line and run things, fluid circulates just fine.  Even when I actuate the valves, fluid still circulates through just fine.

Curiuosly, when i jack one side of the machine up and actuate the valve on that side, the wheels spin just fine, but when I lower the machine to the ground and do it, the wheels will not spin and that is obviously when I have had the slippage problem.

This is a fairly simple hydraulic setup, so I know I'm overlooking something obvious, but I just want to move slowly through the process so I don't destroy anything. 

Basically the line comes from the tank to the pump, pump to one valve, valve to the wheel motor, back to the tank.  I'm not even worried about the second wheel motor on the other side at this point.  I want to figure out why the one won't work. 

I do have a smaller pump on my cadtrac so if all else fails, I may take that pump off and try it on this machine to see if pump size is the issue.  I just hate like heck to mess with the machine that currently works!!  Too bad everything hydraulic costs so much because it would be so much easier to experiment with different pumps and configurations to find the one I like best.

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Posted: 25 - May - 2010 at 10:20 | IP Logged Quote Cjmac

The horsepower required for 25 gpm (probably based on 1200 rpm for the pump) is greater than you can generally transfer with a single V belt unless you have a special belt and pulleys. When you say the pump is slowly creeping in, is this the mounting slipping so the belt is no longer tight?

You will probably have to change the pulley sizes to slow down this pump. Since you don't want to go too small on the small pulley, the larger pulley may get quite large.

How many horsepower and at what rpm is the motor?

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Posted: 30 - May - 2010 at 22:15 | IP Logged Quote Maurice

Agree with Cjmac.  I did a lot of thinking and looking because of my project.  If you are spinning it at a speed such that it can deliver 25gpm, SurplusCenter.com says you need about 35hp.   

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Posted: 31 - May - 2010 at 06:50 | IP Logged Quote Mike Van

I agree with Maurice - Our line trucks had 25 gpm pumps, they were run off the pto by a 300 hp diesel.  You can probably pump 25 gpm with a lawnmower engine, but as soon as you start to block it off and the pressure rises, you're hurtin for horsepower.     One thing that happened to me with a hyd. motor was a bad hose,  inserting the end before crimping, it had sheared off some of the inner hose. In one direction the motor turned fine, as the flap of hose was being pushed away from the fitting, the other way, it would try to stall as the flap got sucked against the fitting.   Trial [and much error]  finding that one.

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Posted: 02 - June - 2010 at 17:32 | IP Logged Quote bobodu

I THINK the pump on my loader is about 8 gpm and I run two "A" belts...down to one right now though as the money has been siphoned off for landscaping....
That's running about 1800 off the 25 horse tractor engine...which doesn't even sneeze at the pump.


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Posted: 30 - July - 2010 at 23:51 | IP Logged Quote kcshawman

Rule of thumb (and my calculator program under the file area will help figure what rpm you need to run) is about 1 hp per gpm and that depends on the psi you are running at.  If you have the relief valve set correctly the engine should not die.  If you don't have a relief valve then go back to the house (unless you have the puter in shop you are in the house) and order one.  For hydraulic motors you should have one of those two-way doobie snatchers that protect the motor in both directions.  You will need one for each motor.  Some are even made to mount on those motors with manifold type connections (of course thats not the type you have).  Crossover is the type of relief valve you want.

https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=9-5373&catna me=hydraulic

This one looks good and has the correct type of fittings.

https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=9-7674&catna me=hydraulic

 



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